Adèle Exarchopoulos and Isabelle Adjani on Rivals and Survival

Adèle Exarchopoulos first entered the public imagination when the racy, queer coming-of-age film Blue Is the Warmest Color won the Palme d’Or and made her both star and sex symbol. She spent the next few years adjusting to fame and reckoning with the movie’s controversial legacy while deepening her range in all sorts of projects, mostly in her native France. Her latest film, Passages, sees Exarchopoulous returning to the type of stormy, sexual romance that helped launch her career, but this time, as she tells the French movie star Isabelle Adjani, she’s battle-scarred and battle-ready.

ADÈLE EXARCHOPOULOS: Hello Isabelle. Can you hear me?
ISABELLE ADJANI: Yes, Adèle.
EXARCHOPOULOS: I think they’re using an app to record, as far as I know.
ADJANI: It’s a little like the FBI or the CIA.
EXARCHOPOULOS: Yeah. How are you doing?
ADJANI: Not so bad, and you?
EXARCHOPOULOS: I’m fine. I’m with some friends and our children on vacation.
ADJANI: You have a 5 or 6-year-old, right?
EXARCHOPOULOS: Yeah, I’ve got a 6-year-old boy. How old are your kids?
ADJANI: The youngest is 28, so—
EXARCHOPOULOS: I see, little men.
ADJANI: Are we supposed to wait for someone to log on? I thought there was a moderator.
EXARCHOPOULOS: I called using the app, but I think it’s just recorded that way.
ADJANI: Okay. It’s just between us. By the way, I didn’t prepare anything as if I were a journalist. I am an actress.
EXARCHOPOULOS: Obviously.
ADJANI: I did two covers for Interview. The last one was for Camille Claudel, and the other was a very long time ago. For me, it was a kind of incredible prestige. Because when you’re 20 and you’re in Andy Warhol’s magazine, it’s a very powerful thing to experience. I wanted to know if Interview had a place in your imagination.
EXARCHOPOULOS: To be honest, it almost felt like too much, and even more so when I found out it was you, because that’s rare.
ADJANI: Me? I’m just the one imported into this mix. I wanted to know if Andy Warhol exists as an artist, a visionary, in your imagination. Does he occupy a place in your life?
EXARCHOPOULOS: I think he’s one of those people you have to admire. He conveys a strong sense of freedom. I like the candor.
ADJANI: I only met him briefly. He was very shy, and I was intimidated by his shyness. But I did run into him in New York, and I have a photo that we’re both in. I think he would have liked you a lot, because he liked actresses who went beyond acting, or weren’t exactly actresses. I’m not going to call them creatures, because that might sound a little pejorative and superficial.
EXARCHOPOULOS: No, but it’s—
ADJANI: Creative forces that turn a person into a creature. So when this person walks into a room, the energy of the room changes. Warhol had extraordinary antennae and he would have jibed with you, because you have this unique charisma. I find that very, very rare, but you’ve got it. There’s something powerful and in sync about your presence.
EXARCHOPOULOS: I’m not really aware of what I’m giving off. Like, for example, you read an interview with yourself, and you say, “Oh, people see me like that?” It’s something between fantasy and projection—
ADJANI: I know. It’s like a cat. A cat doesn’t think, “Oh my, I’ve got a feline way of walking, isn’t that great?” But you have that. Is this interview about your whole career? Or does it have to do with the release of Passages in particular?
EXARCHOPOULOS: It’s a bit of both. The occasion is the release of this film I made with Ira [Sachs, the director of Passages]. He was working on a project in the United States and the lockdown meant that he had to rethink things and shoot in France, where we met. He talked to me about these two actors, Ben Whishaw and Franz Rogowski, and wanted to make a kind of love triangle between a gay couple, who out of boredom and curiosity, begin having a relationship with a woman. I’m really extraneous to their relationship and at the same time I also have feelings. I play a young teacher who falls in love with one of them. I have to admit that I never tire of love stories, either in my own life or in films. And there’s something very gentle and nonjudgmental about Ira. It’s rare these days for people not to judge either their characters or the people they meet, and I find that very touching.
ADJANI: Do you prefer to shoot with directors that have an unconventional approach, either in the way they help you develop your character or prepare a scene?
EXARCHOPOULOS: I was very influenced by one of my first film experiences with Abdellatif Kechiche [the director of Blue Is the Warmest Color]. The shoot lasted eight months, and there was some controversy behind it, but what I remember in terms of the set was an immense freedom of improvisation. I was arriving from a classic school with normal codes, and I was lost! Normalcy was reversed, and I told myself, “Well, I’m not going to make it. I’m face to face with real cinema”.
ADJANI: Real cinema! [Laughs]
EXARCHOPOULOS: I’ve managed to adapt to it, but the script already informs me a lot about [a director] and how they want to tell their story. I like people who aren’t trying to win you over, who defend their character and the honor of their story above all else. I now adapt very quickly when I’m on a set. After working with Abdellatif, I felt a bit lost, but at the same time, I was immediately given opportunities that I’d never been given before.
ADJANI: What strikes me in what you’re saying is that you think of yourself as very malleable and adaptable; you’re a kind of emotional contortionist. I often wonder, when a person is an actress, if they’re capable of overcoming everything that’s inflicted on them. For example, you made that film with Abdellatif Kechiche, which was, as you say, very controversial, and there was also an acknowledgment of pronounced trauma for the two actresses in question [Léa Seydoux and Exarchopoulos], and I wonder how you recovered from that? I remember—if you’ll allow me to offer a comparison from my own career and some situations with [the director] Andrzej Żuławski—there was something of great violence that I agreed to take on. But I’ve realized over the years that it’s something I could never accept again, and it’s part of everything that my subconscious has been swallowing and incubating. I wonder if acting has been a bit unhealthy during certain periods of my life, no?
EXARCHOPOULOS: Right.
ADJANI: I consider myself a survivor for a lot of reasons. So, I was wondering if you see yourself as a survivor too, as someone who brings her life into her work.
EXARCHOPOULOS: Of course. With Abdel, at the end of Blue Is the Warmest Color, he could clap his hands and I would cry. I don’t know how to explain it. It was completely linked to my emotional makeup. And yet there was no fear or terror. For six straight months, we were sharply in the middle of things, and well, there was something to do with exhaustion and the unconscious. I think you’ve had to go through that too, with the roles you’ve had.
ADJANI: Of course.
EXARCHOPOULOS: It’s very hard for me, when someone tells me I have to cry. I’m a very empathetic person, as are my parents. But I need to really understand the character, and sometimes that heartbreak really affects me. Sometimes characters are like friends for whom I’d have a lot of empathy. It’s shitty actually.
ADJANI: What’s beautiful is to make a place within yourself for a character, without that character turning into a negative entity, but sometimes your life gets blown apart like that. Great actresses have been devoured from the inside. It’s a kind of self-cannibalism. And that’s what I find so beautiful about you, is that you have a fervor, a spontaneity, a life force. I read in an interview that you live in the same building as one of your best friends you made through the Canal+ series. I’ve always been a loner, probably as a result of my own doing, and I really envy that. This ability to live with people, I’ve never experienced that.
EXARCHOPOULOS: Really?
ADJANI: No, not at all. I’m always on my own. But friendship is very important.
EXARCHOPOULOS: In the end, I think the difference is that I’m an actress, and you, beyond being an actress, are an icon. And whether you like it or not, because it doesn’t come from you, and it’s not a choice, it must have distorted your relationships. There’s something that goes beyond you, something you represent and embody. I remember when I watched La Reine Margot, I paused the film and said to myself, “I’ve never seen anyone like that in my life”. And I believe that, whether you like it or not, there’s a connection that it has with the other humans you come into contact with. But I have to admit that I’m lucky, friendship is a big part of my life.
ADJANI: Yes, it’s magnificent.
EXARCHOPOULOS: It works because we tell one another the truth a lot. My friends can tell me about my work or my life choices, and they know that as long as there’s good will, they can tell me, “You’re making a very bad choice”, or, “I don’t recognize you”, or, “You should be careful”.
ADJANI: That’s great. But this is a generation of mutualism, and that’s something I haven’t experienced. My generation was one of rivalry. I wish I were 30 today. I’d feel more like myself.
EXARCHOPOULOS: That, I understand. I also think there’s no specific age for meeting great friends. But I’m a little old-fashioned in the way I see things. Today, the way people consume things in general, whether it’s love, sex, or work, is quite disconcerting when you’re a little sensitive. And that, I know, is very much part of our online generation.
ADJANI: I have a great fear of social networks. My youngest son, he’s completely unsubscribed from social networks. He no longer has Instagram and all that. It’s a relief. As a mother, I think to myself, “Wow, he’s escaping this tyranny of staging his personality”. By the way, I saw in an interview that you said you didn’t want to take your son to shoots. You didn’t want him to know what you were doing.
EXARCHOPOULOS: I didn’t lie to him, but I did tell him a story for a long time. That is, when they were taking photos of me in the street, he’d say to me, “But who are these people?” I’d say, “They’re my friends”. I didn’t know them at all. I see the dangers of this environment, I see the loneliness it can create for certain artists, and I see the disconnection above all. My son isn’t an aspiring actor, but my relationship with acting used to make me very anxious. I used to say to him, “Mom tells stories to grown-ups, that’s all, but it’s never going to be our story”. And then, at some point, he understood. To be perfectly honest with you, I had to justify my absences. One day, I said to myself, “Wait, he has to know that I love what I do, that it’s important”. So I started explaining to him that I play characters and that sometimes people get attached to these characters, but I don’t take him to set. The first set I took him to while I was shooting was Mélanie Laurent’s film [Wingwomen], because I thought he’d laugh at the explosions. Mélanie, who’s very sweet, said to him, “Do you want to come with me and watch Mommy on the screen?” He said, “No, I’m going to the park”. I was so happy.
ADJANI: I had the same fears with my sons. I was afraid of an imbalance. And then there’s the incomprehension of a child seeing his mother put herself into emotional states that don’t correspond with what she wants in real life. It’s a real dilemma, being absent and so dedicated to it. My sons reproached me for it. It was resolved, but there was always, “You weren’t there”. And that’s horrible.
EXARCHOPOULOS: Yeah, it’s tough.
ADJANI: They know they’re being a bit unfair when they do that, but we’ve made a choice and we’re not going to pretend we haven’t. And that’s that.
EXARCHOPOULOS: Film kind of happened to me, I didn’t really expect it. I didn’t know anything about that world, but somehow it fell into my lap. Lately, I’ve been working a lot with people I love, and I’ve had one chance after another, but at the same time, I’m thinking to myself, “There are people who pray all their lives to have what I have today, and at the same time, I feel a visceral lack of the mundane”. I need those moments of banality when I pick up my son from school, or when I’m at the bank.
ADJANI: I made it so I wouldn’t have to work all the time, and I was criticized for it. They said, “Why don’t you make more films?” It was because my parents were ill and needed me, and my children needed me. I even forgot that I was an actress at certain times. But that, too, isn’t forgiven. Basically, there’s no way out.
EXARCHOPOULOS: Yeah, but at the same time, I like mystery in someone, especially in an actress. We’ve all had an overdose of someone we see too much of. I love not having all the answers from someone, especially someone who has many faces, many emotions.
ADJANI: Of course.
EXARCHOPOULOS: It’s a job where you can quickly accumulate a lot of regrets, and I’m not made for regrets.
ADJANI: It’s not a job that facilitates a happy frame of mind, quite the opposite. That’s why it’s important to be surrounded by friends who can be angels, but also conscientious objectors. Otherwise, you can lose yourself.
EXARCHOPOULOS: Of course.
ADJANI: I love Wingwomen. Mélanie Laurent is one of my favorite directors ever, and I was so sad not to have any real scenes with you.
EXARCHOPOULOS: I was disappointed not to be shooting with you, too.
ADJANI: Ira said you’re a mixture of [Brigitte] Bardot and Jeanne Moreau, but also, you remind me of my cats. I have one cat that’s an Egyptian Mau, it’s a sublime breed of cat, and the other one I got off the street. She’s a kind of savage, on the lookout for everything, but with an incredible vivacity. But I loved what you were doing in Wingwomen, you were a wildly unleashed sniper.
EXARCHOPOULOS: I had fun, even though someone broke my nose. It’s still not straight. I had the operation the next day, but in real life if you look very closely from the front, it still goes a little to the right.
ADJANI: I’m sure it’ll heal. But I think you’re nutty in this film. Anyway, I feel the same about all of your films. Thank god I haven’t seen them all. I’m glad there’s still things to see. You like all of your films, don’t you?
EXARCHOPOULOS: I love them, plus I’d really like to work together. I love All Your Faces—I laughed at that—and I love Zero Fucks Given. The last two.
ADJANI: There you go. Jeanne Herry is an extraordinary director. I’ll get to see Zero Fucks Given.
EXARCHOPOULOS: Thank you for doing this. Let’s have dinner with Mélanie soon.
ADJANI: I’d love to. Many kisses.
EXARCHOPOULOS: I’m sending you a big hug.
ADJANI: Me too. Bye-bye Adèle.

Source : interviewmagazine.com


A decade after controversial ‘Blue’, ‘Passages’ shows Adèle Exarchopoulos’ new colors

When we first meet the character of Agathe, a schoolteacher living in Paris in the drama Passages, she’s in a club, tired of pretending to be interested in the needy guy who’s nominally her boyfriend. Impulsively, she ditches him, swirling around a stranger on the dance floor, their bodies inching closer. Agathe doesn’t care that he’s married. She’ll go to bed with him later that evening, and screw him again the next time their paths cross. The sexual attraction is too hot — the moth will find its flame.

This is merely the opening salvo of the combustible new romantic triangle from director and co-writer Ira Sachs. Adèle Exarchopoulos plays Agathe, who has no idea of the passion and misery she’s brought into her life by embracing Tomas (Franz Rogowski), an acclaimed but temperamental filmmaker.

Exarchopoulos delivers a performance that’s simultaneously controlled and free, conjuring comparisons to the similarly unbridled and delicate turn she gave 10 years ago in Blue Is the Warmest Color, the heartbreaking, sexually frank film that made her name, earned endless accolades and attracted plenty of controversy — including a public spat between director Abdellatif Kechiche and co-stars Exarchopoulos and Léa Seydoux, who both claimed he put them through hell during filming. (In 2018, an unnamed actress accused Kechiche of sexual assault, although French authorities decided not to pursue an investigation, saying there was insufficient evidence. Kechiche denied any wrongdoing).

On a Zoom call in mid-July, Exarchopoulos no longer registers as the teenage ingénue who, in 2013, journeyed to the Cannes Film Festival for Blue, going home with the Palme d’Or (becoming the youngest person to win that award ever). Turning 30 in late November, the French-born actress occasionally has trouble with her English, but her soft-spoken thoughtfulness is always apparent.

And although American audiences may not have noticed, Exarchopoulos has lately come into her own, delivering a string of superb turns in a series of diverse international films: gripping in the character study Zero F— Given, frayed and raw in the spooky drama The Five Devils, delightful in Quentin Dupieux’s endearingly oddball comedy Smoking Causes Coughing and calmly compelling as a police officer facing off against mutants in this summer’s French hit The Animal Kingdom.

Each one is its own beguiling proposition, but Passages feels like a fitting summation of how far she’s come since Blue while staying true to the searching spirit of her breakout moment. “This past two years, I’ve had a chance [to be] in really good movies”, Exarchopoulos says. “Good stories, good directors, good characters. When you have this luxury, it’s wow”.

She insists there was no master plan behind the dizzying range of these recent films. “I think it’s really the chance to explore completely different playgrounds and also put [myself] into situations where I have different work to do before the shoot”, she explains. “It’s the pleasure of playing”.

Exarchopoulos talked to The Times about the challenges of her Passages character, the importance of using intimacy coordinators and why she’s stayed in touch with Blue director Kechiche. This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

You have the trickiest role in Passages. Agathe gets swept up in Tomas’ charm, only to realize that she’s in a relationship with a manipulative narcissist. It’s easy for your character to come across as weak or foolish. How did you navigate that?
My challenge was that I didn’t want her to be a victim and for people to see her like, oh, she chose to suffer. I wanted to make someone with dignity and empathy. Even if she doesn’t understand all the reasons why she’s falling for this guy, you can relate to her. The first time I read the script, that was one of my concerns.

Was there any particular moment where it was especially hard for you to achieve that?
The scene where I hear [Tomas] in the house [having sex in the next room], I was like, “No, Ira, how she can stand that? Why is she leaving in the morning and not now?” And he told me, “Adèle, sometimes we know that the best thing would be to do this — but [we’re incapable] of doing it. We’re waiting for someone to save us, but it’s never coming”.
We show the character at the end being brave and having dignity, but it’s also cool to play someone who doesn’t have dignity. When you have the vulnerability to fall in love, it’s hard to keep it sometimes.

Sachs hadn’t seen Blue Is the Warmest Color before casting you. Did that surprise you?
It was funny that he didn’t see it. When he told me, of course I never dared to say, “You should watch Blue!” I think Ira wanted something really natural, and he chose well: Ben [Whishaw, her Passages co-star] has this natural mystery, Franz has this kind of femininity and masculinity and I was the Parisian girl, but in a natural way — not just something chic. He’s able to really observe, and he’s someone with no judgment.

Was it liberating for you that he hadn’t seen Blue? It’s not like you’re resting on that film’s laurels.
With time, I realize [Blue‘s legacy] is more a pressure for directors than it is for me. It’s a part of my life — it brings me to this world of cinema — but I can feel in some directors’ eyes, they have this weird feeling that I don’t really understand. They’re saying to themselves, I’m going to do better than Blue. It’s a challenge for them.

It’s interesting they feel competitive with a film you made so long ago. Have you sensed that some directors just saw you as your Blue character?
If I felt they were thinking this, I haven’t worked with them. I love people who don’t get seduced by actors, but are seduced by roles.

After Blue‘s acclaim at Cannes, I have to imagine you were courted by Hollywood, but you didn’t start popping up in American films. What happened?
I remember my American agent brought me to L.A. — all these meetings. It was funny because all the producers had seen [Blue] and they were like, “We will work together one day!” After the first meeting, I called my dad: “I’m going to work with Paramount!” And one hour after, I [had] a meeting with Sony and they told me the same, so I understood. I called back my father: “They’re just saying this. It’s just a way of working in America”. So I was like, “OK, don’t think about it, Adèle — it’s not the time”.

One of the sharpest criticisms against Blue came from the LGBTQ+ community, arguing that you and Léa Seydoux, two straight women, didn’t have the right to tell that story. How did that charge feel?
I was young — I was 18 when I went to Cannes. [Lesbians] were saying, “We don’t have sex like this”. But this is a movie about first desire — a first love story. I think, in my small experience, there [is] one language that is unique — how you have sex with someone. So, for me, it was really stupid. I didn’t really see the [argument].

Nowadays, there are intimacy coordinators for sex scenes. I wondered if that might have made shooting those sequences in Blue a little less fraught if the film had been made today.
I don’t think it was the sex that was hard. It was not discovering that I would be naked. The process of Blue was hard because it was like a documentary. It was exhausting: the time, the takes, the fact that we didn’t even know how the story will end, by the fact that a lot of different [people] were getting fired or [left] the movie. That was hard.
But, of course, I think sexual intimacy coordinators are important because it’s hard to [discuss] in front of 10 people, “Are you agreeing to [take off] your bra?” I think you are even more free when there are boundaries and limits — otherwise, even for the male, he doesn’t know what he should do, should not do. Everyone gets scared. You can find more creativity when you know the territory than when you explore with clumsiness and with no coordinator. It’s a good thing, to be honest — I don’t think it will block inspiration.

Actors often have to fight against being typecast. Did Blue‘s success mean you got offered nothing but roles where you’d have to do intimate sex scenes and play characters like that?
The first year after, yeah. I said no to everything. But what is funny is no one [will] put Léa and I in another movie without playing lovers. She could play my sister or she could play my friend. One day I spoke to her: “I want to work with you again”. And she was like, “Yeah, but I think no one will dare to do it”.
It was like when I made my first comedy. People were like, “Oh, you waited all this time, you didn’t want [to do] comedy before?” It tells a lot about the industry. Sometimes they put us in a box.

You had to prove you were more than that character — that you had other tones and roles you could play.
To be honest, I didn’t know what I could do after. I was like, now that I’m without Kechiche, will I succeed on a normal shoot? My first shoot after, I was lost — I remember texting him, “Whoa, I’m dead. Without you, it’s hard”.

Do you and Kechiche still talk?
Yeah, I saw him, I don’t know, six [months] or one year ago. We went to the same cafe that we were at a long time ago, and we spoke a lot about stuff that we never dared to before.

Like what?
I don’t know, feelings or regrets. It’s hard to explain such an intimate link with someone, but I will always have a lot of tenderness for people that were part of Blue Is the Warmest Color. I have no regrets about the movie.

People may be surprised to read that. After all the harsh words exchanged after Cannes, I could imagine you and Kechiche never speaking again.
Of course, there was all this context of the movie and all the troubles after. But when you live something really deep and powerful with someone — even if you don’t see them each month or each year — you will always have this feeling of familiarity. He will never be a stranger for me.

In Blue and Passages, you play women who are open, who are willing to be vulnerable, but there’s also a toughness to them. Would you describe yourself the same way?
I’m really bad about analyzing myself. But with people that I love, I can be tough for them — I can fight for them. But for myself, I feel more vulnerable.

Has that gotten easier over time? Have you learned to fight for yourself?
When I became a mother, I was like, how can I be scared of anything? [Motherhood] gives you the sense of life and priority.

Source : latimes.com


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Adèle Exarchopoulos: “The difficult thing about cinema is not showing emotion but the mundane”

The French actress has just released Rien à Foutre, an intimate and realistic story about the need to connect. Led by Bulgari, Adèle shines with her own light and reflects on her steps in the cinema.

Her film debut was risky to say the least. However, it was precisely that leading role, in the controversial and intimate lesbian drama La vie d’Adèle by director Abdellatif Kechiche and alongside Léa Seydoux, that gave Adèle Exarchopolous (Paris, 1993) international projection.

With an intense look and a childish smile, the French actress chooses characters like her, intense and emotional, fragile but brave. The last one she has played is that of Cassandra in Rien à Foutre, a mandatory drama about the world of flight attendants and the need to connect emotionally that, after the pandemic, lands on the screen just in time.

What was the exact moment when you decided to be an actress?
I really never dreamed of being. My parents asked me to choose an extracurricular and I chose improvisation. During a class, a casting director saw me and took me to an audition. I got the job and I remember thinking, “Are people getting paid for this?” I’m still looking for that feeling that comes with telling someone else’s story. My passion stems from a childhood desire rather than a professional choice.

Nine years have passed since the success of La vie d’Adèle. How do you value that experience now with the perspective of the years?
It was a great human and emotional experience. Now I see the opportunities it brought me and the credibility it gave me. At that time it was risky because I had to make the right decisions, but today I have worked enough to appreciate what I got thanks to her.

In fact, the emotional complexity of Adèle’s character is very present in Cassandra, her new role in the film Rien à Foutre. Do you share anything else?
I see the similarities in the filming process and the directors’ perspectives. There is a kind of tenderness in the way they see this generation, a bit of irony, humor and a lot of emotions. We were surrounded by real people, playing real characters, who brought out the naturalness and reality in us. There was no hairdressing and makeup team, the only wardrobe was for the stewardess, and the rest, whatever we had on hand. I was wearing the director’s sweater, a tracksuit of mine and the other director’s sandals.

Was it difficult to interpret it?
The difficulty in playing her was that she never gets attached and I’m the complete opposite. I am much more emotionally dependent. The challenge of playing Cassandra was not being able to fill the void that she found herself in. It’s what I find most difficult in cinema: it’s not showing emotion, doing love scenes or fighting scenes, it’s the mundane. The real things that happen every day.

If she could play any character, which one would she choose?
The gift of this industry is navigating between genres. If I had to pick one type of character, it would be someone from a big sci-fi movie, like X-Men.

What is it and who gave you the best advice to dedicate yourself to the film industry?
It was Christopher Waltz, just after getting the Palme d’Or at Cannes for La vie d’Adèle, he told me: “Work”.

She always makes powerful characters, but what is Adèle like off screen?
I am like them, intense and emotional. It’s hard to define yourself, but I guess the difference is in my simplicity.

She is jealous of her private life, is it possible to combine fame and everyday life?
I try to find a way. I know that many people found out late that I had a son because I would never post anything about him online. We cannot forget that it is a virtual world and most people use it to validate themselves. For me it’s simple: the less they know, the less they can get to you.

You have also made your foray into fashion, what attracts you to it?
For me it is a game of fantasy and mystery. I choose the brands I work with because of what arouses me… Bulgari, because of her family heritage; Fendi for his chic character, or Paco Rabanne, for his sensuality. I also like that diversity of cinema in fashion.

Source : lavanguardia.com


Adèle Exarchopoulos: “I dived into the underside of low-cost flights”

The actress, revelation of La vie d’Adèle, is dazzling in Rien à foutre, a film currently in theaters which tells the daily life of an airline flight attendant.

Nine years after her Palme d’or obtained at the Cannes Film Festival with Léa Seydoux for La vie d’Adèle, the only Palme d’or in the history of the festival awarded two actresses – and it was Steven Spielberg, then president of the jury, who had made a point of rewarding them -, Adèle Exarchopoulos finds in her latest film, Rien à foutre (currently in theaters), her most significant role. Totally moving and with phenomenal accuracy, it portrays a somewhat lost low-cost airline stewardess, who flees reality – in particular the death of her mother – by multiplying trips, parties and shots. one night.

By immersing us behind a fascinating backdrop, of which until now we only knew the tip of the iceberg, the film imposes itself as a Polaroid of the modern world, that of a certain youth. From Morocco, where she is recharging her batteries before preparing for the Cannes Film Festival, where she will present two new feature films, the actress tells us about the amazing shooting conditions of this film on the borders of the documentary.

We only see you in Rien à foutre. From the first to the last frame, you carry it admirably on your shoulders… Did you expect to have such a presence?
No not at all. For the simple and good reason that Emmanuel Marre, one of the two directors, whom I met first, had been very clear from the start: he did not want to follow a precise scenario but to reinvent everything according to the meetings, having total freedom during filming and improvising a lot… I had seen one of his short films which took a look full of humor and depth at our generation and I had total confidence in him. Just like Julie Lecoustre, her partner, whom I met later.

At first, both were considering giving the role to a real flight attendant. What made them change their tune?
I don’t really know… They actually met hundreds of flight attendants before we found each other. I had also been warned: “It is not certain that you will have the role, perhaps they will find the hostess of their dreams”. And then with Emmanuel, during this meeting, we liked each other… They still asked me to do some tests, in a small hotel room, on the Brussels side, all made up with a hostess costume, to be sure of their shot… He wanted to see how I carried the ritual of loneliness of an air hostess who gets up at dawn, unable to have an emotional life…

You then took training courses. How was this immersion phase?
I left with a low-cost company to do empty legs: Paris Madrid, Madrid London, London Paris… And I dived into the underside of these flights, in terms of preparation, security, pressure of numbers to sell as many products as possible for the passengers… That’s when I started to understand one of the essential elements of the character: this notion of having no hold on the present… One day, we were about to take off and I get a phone call from my young son’s school principal, who usually only calls me when there’s a problem. And there, for 3 hours, in full flight, I realized that I couldn’t do anything for him or for the people I love. I couldn’t talk to him, couldn’t act… We suddenly realize the constraints of this job, and the impact of these on their lives.

There is also this notion of the mask, very present in the film, that these hostesses must display, of perpetual representation… Is there a parallel to be drawn with what you sometimes experience as an actress?
A little yes. In the air, they must disconnect from reality, forget their problems and smile no matter what. Not to mention those passengers convinced that they will soon die and that you must reassure. And with the exception of this last point, when we actresses find ourselves on a promo, we are asked the same thing: to take a certain posture for the photos, to be pretty, with a smile on our lips and also to forget our worry. Moreover, to show you how important the notion of the mask is, I remember that when I became pregnant, after the Palme d’or at the Cannes Film Festival for La vie d’Adèle, I could not find no more roles and I went back to work in my father’s little sandwich stand, where I worked before breaking into the business. And for people, it was just inconceivable that the glamorous actress they knew would sell them popcorn. When they told me that I looked like him, no matter how much I told them that in fact it was me, they were convinced that I was telling them canards: “You say nonsense! Come on, put me some M&M’s with that…”.

The filmmakers mentioned filming sometimes hastily in airports… Concretely, how did it go?
We would arrive in the morning and I would go to the toilets to change and do my make-up… For certain airports, notably that of Dubai, we did not have authorization to shoot. So we pretended that we were doing scenes for a wedding between us. There were a lot of moments stolen or worked on in a hurry.

How does improvisation work?
Already, you need directors who know how to put you at ease enough so that you can completely abandon yourself. And it was. Afterwards, they asked a lot of hostesses or flight attendants to play their own role and it immediately creates something extremely natural. We also shot during real flights where the production had offered passengers to travel for free in exchange for being filmed. As for the party scenes, we were totally embedded in real fiestas. After all, not everything was improvised. We still had a script, with a few key scenes written that had to be respected.

Do you identify with this lost youth portrayed in the film, who only has Instagram or Tinder as a real landmark?
In part, yes, because I know how society works today, where everything is consumed very easily, where we constantly seek everyone’s approval. I practice social networks, Instagram often for my work, and it has very good sides. Afterwards, it’s already starting to scare me for my son. I don’t want him to fall into it too young. However, I am unable to do a Tinder. I’m not judging, I’m sure there are great love stories on that side too, but when it comes to feelings and encounters, networks, it’s not for me.

Last year, Rien à foutre was presented in the Critics’ Week selection at the Cannes Film Festival, where you will be present twice this year, with Fumer fait tousser, by Quentin Dupieux, in the Official Selection, and with Les cinq diables, by Léa Mysius, at the Directors’ Fortnight. Are you rejoicing? Can you tease these two films for us?
Cannes, it all depends on who you share it with. If my best friends are there, Leïla Bekhti, Tahar Rahim, Géraldine Nakache or Jonathan Cohen, I know I’m going to have fun, yes. Afterwards, for the films, I have not yet seen Fumer fait tousser. I only want a small role in it, but it’s still a very wacky film, with a team of fallen superheroes who must go green to tame their fears by telling stories. And Les cinq diables is a fantastic film where I play a young woman who lives with her husband and daughter in a village. And this child has powers allowing her to go back in time through smells and she will notably revisit her mother’s past…

Source : lematin.ch


Adèle Exarchopoulos, What I don’t have

When La Vie d’Adèle revealed her to the world, she was a girl with an instinctive talent. Today, nine years later, she is a conscious and contested actress, an organized mother, a true friend. Yet, she still lacks something.

“I’m looking for my place in the world”. Perhaps, you do not expect these words from an actress who seems to have clear ideas for some time: at 13 she made her debut in the cinema directed by Jane Birkin, at 20 she won the Palme d’Or as the protagonist – together with Léa Seydoux – of La Vie d’Adèle by Abdellatif Kechiche and today, 28, has a list of upcoming films worthy of a seasoned diva. For sure, Adèle Exarchopoulos, big black Maria Callas eyes that betray her grandfather’s Greek origins and her hair tied up in a high bun, grew up quickly. Like the character she plays in Julie Lecoustre and Emmanuel Marre’s Rien à Foutre. Cassandre is a flight attendant in a low budget airline; desperately alone, she has a wild life, she loves to have fun and hides behind the Tinder Carpe Diem profile; her vague dream is to move to Emirates. One morning she arrives late for work and is stuck for the first time in the same city for a few days, which forces her to deal with the emptiness of her existence and an important bereavement.

What do the roles you choose have in common?
These are usually independent women who make mistakes. Humanity is imperfect, and I don’t like clichés.

She quickly achieved impressive milestones and awards.
I continue to live in situations that I never even imagined possible.

How much has she had to fight?
The job came suddenly and by chance, at a time when I was afraid of leaving school, which wasn’t exactly my forte. I have known the disappointment of being rejected at the casting and of being considered a second choice. Everyone has their battles to fight, growing up means choosing which ones to spend their energies on.

Growing up also means finding your place in the world. She said she’s still chasing it…
I started acting very early, at 17 I was already living alone and at 23 I had Ismaël (from rapper Morgan Frémont, aka Doums) while friends went to parties to get drunk until dawn. Regardless of the goals, I often had to look for my space and the sense of what I was doing, because it was not suitable for my age or my generation.

Did she feel older, more adult?
In my choices, but not in my head, so much so that I have never experienced a moment in which I perceived them consistent with the environment I was in.

Are you quick to change course?
I have good instincts and, above all, true friends. If I tell a few lies, one of them will think to tell me: “you are bullshit, go further!”

A wrong course?
Nostalgia: sometimes you share something very intense with someone who suddenly doesn’t seem to exist anymore and it is useless to insist.

Do you tend to slide into the past?
I’m not the type of person who falls into depression. I face my emotions. And even when it’s hard, I get back on track, I try to keep myself in the flow of things.

You had troubled romantic relationships. After she ended up with Ismaël’s father, she was linked to actor Jérémie Laheurte for three years. Is love complicated?
Sentimental ties imply dependence, weakness, contradiction, passion: it is not easy to manage these emotions. As much as I am autonomous in working decisions, as much as I must have firmly established my emotional references.

What mother is she?
I’m very organized, but my job has several privileges: I don’t have to break my back to support four children, I mean. I try to keep Ismaël in the rhythm of my day while respecting his.

You have a long list of films in post-production. What project are you working on at the moment?
I have just finished shooting a bright film on ‘reconstructive justice’, which tells how one can recompose one’s life after the worst experiences.

Source : vanityfair.it


Adèle Exarchopoulos as a disillusioned air hostess in ‘Rien à Foutre’

She really is not cold in the eyes! For her first Belgian film, Rien à Foutre, Adèle Exarchopoulos (La Vie d’Adèle) embarked on an all-terrain shoot on the iPhone, surrounded by real air hostesses inspiring her role . A touching performance, describing the disenchantment of an entire generation.

How did you hear about directors Emmanuel Marre and Julie Lecoustre?
My agent told me that young Belgian directors wanted to meet me. Manu told me about the project and at this stage, it was already the story of a girl who lost her mother, and who will flee her grief by choosing to become a flight attendant, while nurturing this life false illusions. The film was going to talk about the masks we put on, the fantasies we draw to protect ourselves. But he didn’t have the ending, nor a real script, and wanted to shoot only with non-professionals. He looks at me and asks me: ‘Does that ring a bell? I said, ‘Serious, but please let me read something’. Leaving away from my son without a hitch, at that time, was a tough decision. And there he made me read a super successful scenario, but really badass… He was ready for his text! In fact, Manu did not want it to stay frozen. And it is true that we have completely moved away from it.

You talk about loneliness and masks. Experience as an actress?
It’s a job that can make you alone, because there is always a risk of dissociation between what people expect of you and what you become. Smile, dress like that, be nice but mysterious please… And then we can get lost in privileges too. The first time I came to the Cannes Film Festival, I was shocked to see that Coke was free (laughs). Or when it said ‘wolf’ in the restaurant menu, I didn’t understand that we were talking about a fish. It’s stupid but I don’t want to lose this carelessness. Nor the excitement of knowing that I am doing what I love, and that I receive totally outsized recognition. But I think I’m on the right track. Typically, here we are on a beach in Cannes, but then I go to a house thirty minutes from here where people I love are waiting for me. There are even friends who have gone upstairs and who sleep in my room. In my job or elsewhere, what matters is the people you share things with.

Does your character sum up a generation?
Absoutely. The film confronts a desire for revolution with a total abandonment of the convictions that can lead to it. He describes this desire to be perhaps too independent, as when Cassandre refuses to pool her sales earnings with the other hostesses. It’s a girl who abandons the collective. She flees that, in particular by immersing herself in her phone. Manu and Julie really succeeded in describing a current reality. Recognition is digital today, we no longer see smiles the same way, we no longer really look at the people or the situations around us. And I do not exclude myself from the observation.

You have worked with real air hostesses…
Several, yes. The immersion was therefore perfect, and we spent a lot of time together. They started explaining to me how I had to wear make-up or dress to respect the codes, how long they woke up before departure, how this rhythm completely changes your life… These people make four flights a day, at a moment it becomes hard to keep a grip on the ground.

And the filming was pretty rock’n’roll, right?
The device was actually super light. There were five of us on set, it really looked like a documentary! We shot on the iPhone without permission in airports, I was doing my makeup on my own like a grown-up… So yes, it was rock’n’roll, but super positive.

Our review of Rien à Foutre:
Everything is KO, next! Cassandre thinks she has chosen a dream life by working for a low-cost company that sends her into the sky four times a day. The sun, the party, the meetings… Cassandre continues at full speed, and soon absorbs the competitive foundations of her sector. Share your profits with the other hostesses? What next ! Support the unions? Just quit right away! But it is not because she has understood the rules of the game that she will find her account, and soon the question arises: by dint of losing her soul, who can help her? With its provocative title and its world of Ryanair-style travel, ‘Rien à foutre’ has the intelligence to tell us about a world that we all know, but that we never see on screen: paradise. low-cost, its attractiveness, and its quirks. With her jaded look and melancholy eyes, Adèle Exarchopoulos impresses by summarizing the paradoxes of a generation fed on capitalism. The sloppy image of the film will discourage some, but what a striking force! 4/5

Source : fr.metrotime.be


Adèle Exarchopoulos: “I had not experienced such freedom since ‘La Vie d’Adèle'”

On the occasion of the release of Rien à Foutre, meeting with Adèle Exarchopoulos, an anti-star in burgundy Nike jogging accompanied by her couple of directors, Julie Lecoustre and Emmanuel Marre.

To what extent did you recognize yourself in the character of Cassandra?
Adèle Exarchopoulos – In a form of disenchantment with the fact that today everything is consumed very quickly, whether it is physical, feelings, work. We let ourselves go less, we look less for the meaning of things, it’s very chaotic. In Cassandra’s disenchantment and despite her desire for life following a bereavement, I was able to recognize my generation.

How did this filming, carried out almost in a hurry in the middle of Covid, go?
A.E. – For me, who is not very academic, the aviation probation was difficult, having to smoke in the toilets, eat the food from the plane. I was afraid that I would not pass the moment of the security demo. We didn’t really have filming authorization in the airports and stopovers we were going through, I sometimes had to change in the toilet between scenes. But even in difficult times we laughed, it was really a common adventure.

Julie Lecoustre – We shot both in very standardized framed places such as airports and planes. For the extras, we had offered a free round trip Paris/Barcelona to people. So they were real passengers in full flight.

Emmanuel Marre – In Dubai, we shot without authorization. Adele changed in airport toilets between shots sometimes to make plans in the middle of people. The party scenes are also very realistic. It creates an energy of acting that is not tenable throughout the film but which recalls at certain moments the necessary urgency of the state of play, which we find in real life.

This title Rien à Foutre, does it have to do with an anarchic gesture?
E.M. – For us, it has to do with freedom of expression. There is a total privatization of public space, through brands, advertising, sometimes architecture. If you start asking for permissions, you hardly have the right to film people’s lives anymore, or only from one angle. However, it must be remembered that freedom of expression gives us the right to legally film a brand, as long as it is not denigrated. In Dubai, we shot with a small camera, but there the bloggers or influencers were four times more professional than us! They had an impossible gear. He should therefore have no problem shooting with the means of the cinema.

In the film, Cassandra’s body is constantly checked, to conform to her job in the company. Would you draw a parallel with the place of women’s bodies in society today?
A.E. – Beyond the body, which I was not necessarily aware of, it was more the work on a form of mask that interested me. When we met flight attendants with Emmanuel and Julie, what came up a lot was the outfit, the diction, the posture, the make-up, the costume which becomes almost political. When you’re in the air as a passenger, you’re not really aware of it, but when it’s your job, to be in the air disconnected from reality and no longer have a hold on your present, and to have to often reassuring half of the passengers who are often very anxious since we still have a chance of dying, it is more the question of the mask that is essential. It’s something I can also feel with a smaller measure on sale, but not so much considering how I came dressed today! But here it is, it is true that we are constantly asked for a posture. Me, it’s going to bother me more in what I’m sometimes asked to answer in an interview than on a red carpet where it’s fun to play the game, I completely manage to have some distance with that. When I look at a Zendaya or a Jane Campion, they play along too. This mask still makes us look at each other without really asking ourselves what we are going through.

J.L. – Among air hostesses, the sexualization of the body is very marked. The uniforms, particularly in the low-cost companies, are super tight, they have to wear a certain shade of lipstick coordinated with the color of the nails, they have hairstyles, regulation earrings. There is a whole imagination around the air hostess, and at the same time it was also for us to show that in the character of Cassandre there is this duality of the mask as Adèle said, of the armor almost . We also see this implicitly, because apart from her job Cassandre does not wear makeup, appearance is not at all an immediate issue in her relationship with others. We worked with the costume designer on things that were quite vague, quite large outside of the hostess outfit. He is a character who has a sexuality but who we decided not to sexualize.

E.M. – In her personal life, Cassandre has freedom with her body. When she doesn’t want to wax, she doesn’t wax. But in the company, there, there is real violence. Our idea was to show that the uniform is violence. The real violence is when she goes to the job interview and is asked at the end what her reaction should be if a passenger behaves inappropriately. She knows that you should never say no, it’s almost like prostitution. That is a violence a thousand times greater than the question of representation.

The film is ultra-realistic. How much improvisation?
A.E. – The job interview was written and the narrative arcs too of course but everything else is improvisation. What I can say is the first time my parents have liked a movie I’m in and are proud of me. But there are as many things about me as there are not in Cassandra.

The end of the film switches to a somewhat difficult return to the family in a small town near Liège. Would you say that one of the common threads of the film is also the difficulty of attachment to others today?
E.M. – Cassandra’s attachment disorder is the heart of the film. This is what we discovered while making the film. What are we attached to? To his work, to his friends? The film explores places of attachment and detachment too. Cassandre must relearn how to attach herself. The return home is also a common place in cinema, in a place where we did not know if Cassandre was right to return or not. At the same time she finds something but when she comes back to it she discovers that she does not necessarily belong there. But in the world of airports that we describe, where everything is a bit of a non-place, it was important to echo a “super-place” that only those who live there know. The attachment is very strong between the father and his daughters, when he speaks to them about their birth it brings out something fundamental, it is what attaches us fundamentally.

In the film, Cassandre is very taken by social networks. What role do they play in your life Adele?
A.E. – I would be a huge liar to tell you that they have no role for me. Despite everything, it’s a game we’ve all fallen into either out of unhealthy curiosity or political conscience, there are a thousand reasons and I don’t even know if there are good ones or not. I practice the networks but it really scares me for my child, the fact of spying on people’s lives and thinking that it comes down to these beautiful moments on Instagram. I use it a lot for work and it has very good sides, freedom of speech, expression, images. To speak concretely, the images of the death of George Floyd have made police violence undeniable. There was no longer any doubt. Networks are therefore sometimes essential, but it is also a little destructive on private lives on a daily basis because it remains an illusion. I manage to have some distance because I am self-deprecating, but half of the photos I post where I am obviously made up, retouched, dressed in outfits that do not belong to me, I am well aware that I am in my bed awful and exhausted when I post them! It makes me laugh as much as it worries me.

You were born in the cinema in the film by Abdellatif Kechiche. Can we see a common thread between your character in La vie d’Adèle and that of Cassandre in Rien à Foutre?
A.E. – Adèle’s life is about discovering the first times, there is disenchantment but also an enormous attachment. When you love for the first time you really believe that you are going to die. The link I would make between the two films is the space of freedom on set. I had not experienced such freedom since the experience of La vie d’Adèle, thanks to this strength that Emmanuel and Julie have to put us in completely real conditions. Of course there was a script but they were only afraid that it would be fixed, conventional, they wanted to reinvent the script during filming.

How do you choose your roles Adele?
A.E. – There are no criteria but sometimes desires. For example the desire to make a comedy but it is rarely at these times that it falls. For me the choice is very instinctive. It is linked to a meeting, a reading. Choosing a film is a bit like a love story, I want to be part of the adventure. It may be an encounter with a role, a filmmaker, a scenario. To be honest, the few times I wanted to be strategic I very quickly regretted it. To be in the right place, you have to listen to yourself.

Did filming with a male-female director couple bring a form of equality to the set?
A.E. – There is never a complete tie on a set. Julie and Emmanuel are two very different animals even if their sensitivity is the same. It was the first time I worked with a duo, I loved it. But the real subject of the film is the question of the masks that we wear without knowing what the people behind them are really going through.

Source : moustique.be


5 express questions to Adèle before the César 2022

Her first visit dates back only to 2014, however, today, Adèle Exarchopoulos is a familiar face to the Césars. A true style icon for her time, the young actress likes to dress up. Tonight, she is wearing a breathtaking Paco Rabanne dress. Exclusively, she answered our questions a few hours before the big ceremony. Nominated for the César for best actress in a supporting role, Adèle Exarchopoulos takes advantage of this unique moment, without pressure.

How do you feel a few minutes before the ceremony? Always a pleasure to go to this high mass?
I feel lucky, and I feel surrounded by people I love so that’s the main thing.

Is it a perilous exercise to define your outfit for the Césars? Are there any prohibited clothes?
Not when working with Leila Boumedjane, who is my stylist. Yes, I suppose there are less advisable clothes. You will have to ask her (laughs). I don’t really care.

Why did you choose to wear Paco Rabanne tonight?
Because it’s a classy, elegant brand that I really like. I have a high regard for its artistic director, Julien Dossena. He is also my friend.

How do you feel when you’re dressed as Paco Rabanne?
A feeling of femininity. And elegance.

What can we wish you? We imagine leaving with the precious statuette…
What can you wish me? That whatever happens, there are the same people who are in my room as when I left it.

Source : elle.fr